Peeling off the veneer shows how well it gets covered. With my 1mm V notch on 3mm center spreader the calculated film thickness is 6.6 mils (.0394 x .0394 = .001552, / 4 = .000388, square root = .0197, / 3 = .0066). Learn how to improve your output, find new markets, and boost sales of your lumber products E-Mail Address: Review WOODWEB's Copyright Policy. A worldwide buyer and seller exchange for woodworking machinery and equipment. View higher quality, full size image (1280 X 960). Website: http://www.veneersystems.com Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. Individuals who excessively post responses containing marginal content will be considered repeat forum abusers. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. Sawing and Drying Forum We quit the Uni-bond when the formulation changed to less formaldehyde. 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The science and art of forest cultivation and timber management, planting, surveying, tree diseases, silviculture and timber harvesting I am reluctant to use a PVA since it clashes with my old school "gluing must be hard" mindset. Improper Decorum:   Posts which are profane, inciting, disrespectful or uncivil in tone, or maliciously worded. With my 1mm V notch on 3mm center spreader the calculated film thickness is 6.6 mils (.0394 x .0394 = .001552, / 4 = .000388, square root = .0197, / 3 = .0066). 335 Bedell Road WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. Additionally, it is important to understand that a calculation of solid content can be derived from several factors. Vacuum Chucking To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. 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Personal or business website links must point to the author's website. ft. of lumber per year What is safe for one woodworker under certain conditions may not be safe The various Titebond products appear to differ primarily in their water resistance, 3 being the best, 2 being okay, with 1 (elmer's) being pretty poor. I use notched spreaders because it gives me a nice consistent spread. FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top) and at their own risk. ... It also performs well in conventional cold press equipment. Project: EVS™ Late-breaking news from all sectors of the wood industry Adhesives Forum Forum participants will be able to contact you using a contact link (included with your post) that is substituted for your actual address. Repeated Forum Abuse: Issues related to laminating and solid surface materials and processes notify me of responses to this topic Yes, I meant "Pro-Glue", but we are now using CP's cp-0503 pre-catalyzed powdered urea resin. Forum Posting Form Guidelines While numbers are interesting, doing test samples is the only way to get a minimal glue line with 100% veneer coverage and no/minimal bleed. I generally apply with an old credit card, with a decent amount of adhesive. Architectural Woodworking Forum Copyright © 1996-2021 - WOODWEB ® Inc. Dave We have been selling PPR (powdered plastic resin) glue for 20+ years and sell 1 gal., 5 gal, 100lb and 300lb drums. The editors, writers, and staff at WOODWEB try to promote safe practices. Discussing quality standards and production of architectural wood products My first spreader had 1/16" V notches almost 1/4" on center and that was too much for veneering w/ PVA. It is Specifically formulated to provide short clamp time for oak and other ring-porous woods. for others in different circumstances. Unibond 800 is a two-part, urea formaldehyde, liquid resin glue. Depending on what you are trying to do, you might try Unibond 800, a two part adhesive which has a really hard glue-line, and a long open time to allow you to work with it. ... Forestry Forum Comments, questions, or criticisms regarding Forum policies should be directed to WOODWEB's Systems Administrator Messages that accuse businesses or individuals of alleged negative actions or behavior are inappropriate since WOODWEB is unable to verify or substantiate the claims. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related Link that directs visitors to an area with inappropriate content will be removed. Others comments were a bit more complicated. 2/9       #8: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Even so, thickness can vary depending angle and pressure. $.post( "/cgi-bin/forums/thumbs.cgi", { id: "755548",dir: "veneer" } ); 2/10       #10: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Letters, questions or comments? 4.6 out of 5 stars 1,551. View higher quality, full size image (1280 X 960) (return to form) Messages that do not reflect a professional tone reduce the value of our forums. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); I'd like to have both at hand. Business and Management Forum This also includes the venting of unsubstantiated opinions. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); do not submit this request ... you are already signed up Hello David, The glue spreaders we sell are designed to put down the correct amount of glue. Unibond 800 or PPR (powdered plastic resin) are the best for veneering in my opinion. I use a cheap plastic one from Local hardware store. Personal or business website links must point to the author's website. 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